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Passport Card Doing Away with Non-Locals
Last Post 11-12-2010 11:26 AM by gpfundt. 34 Replies.
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10-14-2010 07:39 AM
    For 2011, due to low hotel and package use, they are doing away with allowing SC and NC non-local residents to get the card.  The surrounding counties near Myrtle Beach in NC and SC are okay, but everyone else gets shafted.  However, anyone can still get a three month winter card, which I don't understand.  We can play in Dec, Jan, Feb, but you can't float us the other 9 months.  Pretty low.
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    10-14-2010 09:17 AM
    Interesting to know. Thanks for this information.
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    10-14-2010 07:50 PM
    Not only that but guests on the pass have to pay $10 higher that listed rates. In the past my guests paid the same rate.

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    10-14-2010 07:56 PM
    Glad I got my South Carolina drivers license this past year. Do you think it was the courses that wanted the change? They sell there 4000 cards at $40 a pop u think they care about hotel package play
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    10-14-2010 09:59 PM
    Doesn't MBN own the Passport? Too many people were using the passport for their whole trips and that wasn't the intention of the card. IMO it should be a local card only! $40 X 4000 is $160,000 dollars. I'm sure they can make the difference up by not allowing people to use the card and put a little extra money in the packagers pocket. Did it say anything about homeowners?
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    10-15-2010 07:57 AM
    $40 X 4000 is $160,000 dollars that's one day of revenue for Kings North in April.

    Huh? Now I'm not a MB insider, but even at a full tee sheet, charging $150 per man, they would be lucky to make 1/4 of that, let alone backing out labor, maintenance, wear and tear, cost of food/beer, people using rain checks, comps, etc... 50 groups at $600 per full foursome would only be $30K. $130K worth of food, beer, and shirts would be pushing it, I'm guessing.
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    10-15-2010 09:47 AM
    Okay I admit my math was obviously flawed. It's a good thing I'm not an 8th grade math teacher.:-) My point was to simply point out that people were using the card in ways that it wasn't intended and because of that courses were losing a steady stream of revenue. The card was intended for someone on vacation to use it once or twice. It wasn't designed for 8 people (2 cards) to use it for a week long golf trip. There are other cards that are out there but the Passport was the best known.
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    10-15-2010 07:45 PM
    From the sound of it you must be a local so you must not like notherners.it was intended for locals and 2nd homeowner who owned property in south carolina, just because people could play over 100 courses and save a ton of money by booking last minute cause there were open tee times don't get pissed at us for following the rules . This is why we won the war, we have a brain
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    10-15-2010 11:06 PM

    Bad move, imo.

    This card brought in tourists, who spent money on accomadations, food, entertainment, shopping, taxes, and of course golf.  My guess, is that the industry feels the out of town Passport golfers will still flock to MB...time will tell. Pinehurst, RTJ golf trail, Hilton Head, Jacksonville, and possibly Orlando,  just got a lot more appealing.

    I wonder if any studies have been done on the economic impact of these out of town Passport golfers...I doubt it.  Half of the time, I wasn't even asked by the courses to show the PP.  Only once was I asked to show an ID, to see if it matched the name on the PP.  Therefore, no one really knows the economic impact of these non-local PP users, since records were never kept.


    Some of these MB courses could take a big hit, maybe even a death knell for some of the ones barely hanging on.  I know I will be making other plans, since I can't purchase a PP, now.  Going through a packager really isn't adventagous for me....usually it's just me and one or two other guys.  We like to play in the PM and decide where to play at the last minute....usually after reading MBGT..LOL.  From previous experience, the packagers and hotels couldn't touch the prices I could get through the Passport. 

    Can't see us going back to the old days, when we clipped coupons and begged the hotel golf director for deals.  Myrtle Beach has gotten a little redundent for us anyway....it was close and cheap, and familiar.  Pinehurst and HHI, will definetly be in the cards for next years trips.  Have to think about RTJ trail and Orlando....being in a car for 6 hours is a real buzzkill for me.

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    10-17-2010 01:10 PM
    Dr. Hook – if you are considering other locations because you can't use the Passport and Myrtle Beach packagers rates are too high, you can forget all about Pinehurst and Hilton head Island.  You will be paying substantially more there. As for the Robert Trent Jones Trail you will be spending on gas what you are saving on greens fees.

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    10-18-2010 02:54 PM
    Agree with Wrong Way Golf...all otjher destinations are more expensive, or the same price...just more miles and more gas. Plus, very few places have this many courses to play with the ability to stay at one central place like MB does. I've never played RTJ trail, but from members who have, you have to pack up and move on evry 1-2 days. Too much like work. Give me MB anytime...life and time is too precious to count pennies that closely.
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    10-18-2010 03:42 PM
    Posted By Big Willy on 10-14-2010 08:59 PM
    Doesn't MBN own the Passport? Too many people were using the passport for their whole trips and that wasn't the intention of the card. IMO it should be a local card only! $40 X 4000 is $160,000 dollars that's one day of revenue for Kings North in April. I'm sure they can make the difference up by not allowing people to use the card and put a little extra money in the packagers pocket. Did it say anything about homeowners?


    The Myrtle Beach Area Golf Course Owners Association created the program many many years ago to be "the locals discount card".


    One days revenue at Kings North - peak season price is $136, assume all are booke dat tha rate ...... they can get 208 players on that course per day due to the 10 minute tee time intervals, approx daily revenue in peak season $28,288. They wish their daily revenues in April were $60K
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    10-18-2010 04:03 PM
    That's why I said 30K...assuming some shirt sales, balls, hats, beer and food.
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    10-18-2010 05:39 PM
    Posted By jsherm1 on 10-15-2010 06:45 PM
    From the sound of it you must be a local so you must not like notherners.it was intended for locals and 2nd homeowner who owned property in south carolina, just because people could play over 100 courses and save a ton of money by booking last minute cause there were open tee times don't get pissed at us for following the rules . This is why we won the war, we have a brain


    I'm not sure I understand why you resorted to name calling? It was obvious my math was messed up but they aren't going to lose 4000 cards anyway. Maybe 2000? Who knows.... Maybe you can answer me this? Why should someone from Aiken, South Carolina or Boone, NC be entitled to the same card of a local or even a second homeowner? Just like the long knocker said. It was originally intended to be a locals card and it was getting way out of hand IMO.
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    10-18-2010 07:00 PM
    Sorry about that Gerneral Lee,thought the passport with it's 48 hour restrictions was a way to fill up tee sheets that other wise went unsold. Thought after what Legends did this past year courses would realize it's better to get $250.00 per foresome than to get zero. And to answer your question yes that person with a condo that lives in Savannah should pay what a local pays because in the middle of summer I don't think the guy living at the beach will be playing
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    10-19-2010 12:49 PM
    I know Pinehust and HHI will cost me more...but if I don't have the MB Passport, it's not going to be that much more expensive to broaden my golf vacation horizons.

    I do about 10 trips a year to MB...usually 5 day trips, with 5 rounds played. I pick MB, because as I've posted, it's close, cheap, and familiar. It's cheap, because of the Passport. Take away the Passport, then it's not cheap for us anymore. The Passport is the ONLY reason we come to MB to play golf 10 times a year. And there's thousands just like me. Will these golfers still come down and get raped by walk-in rates and high hotel package rates? Maybe, but some have only so many discretionary $$$$.

    That's why we've started looking at other golf destanations. Pulling the Passport out from under us, has given us the prodding we needed to venture out. Our discretionary dollars will be spent at other venues. We know we will be spending more money, and enduring longer travel times. But, the new price point of MB golf has pushed us out of the demand curve. Plus, we get to play different courses.

    I'm sure the locals will love it, that we will no longer clog up the empty spots on the tee sheet. Golf in MB is still stagnant. Some courses are just treading water. As Golf Holidays Bill Golden stated, "Their are few expenses more discretionary than golf." So now, in this economic climate, where golf rounds in MB remain flat, you take away the Passport from thousands of golfers. If the golf industry is doing it to protect the golf packagers, then I think that's overkill.

    Could we see more scenes like Bay Tree. Not because real estate developers bought the course, but due to courses going bankrupt? Taking away the Passport to thousands of golfers eagerly willing to fill up empty tees is not going to help the golf course owners pay the bank note and payroll.

    "Unfortunately, it is what it is. We're staying above water, keeping it afloat", Alicia Harper, spokeswoman for Burroughs and Chapin's golf operations. Well Alicia, times just got a little bit harder for filling up those stagnant tee sheets.
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    10-19-2010 03:16 PM

    I go to Pinehurst 2 or 3 times a year, should I get a locals discount or a discount for being in the golf business, NO .... I have nothing to do with Pinehurst, I don't live there and I don't send business there .. why shoud I get a locals rate there? I pay the same rate as everyone else and don't worry about it.

    The passport isn't near as popular as you are under the impression it is. You seem to be of the opinion that the courses cannot survive with out it .... that's not the case. If they thought they couldn't survive with out it, they would have opened it up to everyone .... instead they restricted it even further; which should tell you something about the program. The Myrtle Beach passport isn't what is keeping Myrtle Beach Golf afloat ..... golf packages is what keeps MB afloat. The passport changed just like the rates for all the courses in Myrtle Beach have changed over the last 2 years. Fewer courses are giving a high rate and then giving a dicsount off that rate for before 8, after 1, mid week, etc .. they're giving they're giving their best rate in advance and filling their tee sheets instead of head faking with with some crazy rate that no one will book at then, 24/48 hours the course that is normally $125 has a tee sheet full of $40 players. They figured out if you give people a decent and honest price upfront they will fill their tee sheets. Instead of having a inflated price and having a half full tee sheet and then trying to fill it with some kind of discount. They are filling them on the front end (in advance) now not the back end (last minute deals)..... it's called dynamic pricing and it's well on it's way. The dynamic rate system is near it's completion and pricing a Myrtle Beach Golf Trip will be like pricing a plane ticket. We're already doing it with many courses ..... 


    Their isn't a course in Myrtle Beach that closed it's doors due to bankrupcy ... and noone of them will. Sure ownership or management may change but the doors haven't been closed for one day. Legends is an example, was foreclosed on and the ownership has changed 3 times in 16 months .... never closed. The courses that are closed were sold to developers and the developers are sitting on the land. 

    Any field of business, especially in the current economic times, their are companies that are struggling, it has nothing to do with the passport.

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    10-19-2010 03:24 PM
    Right on, B! Coming down in May, I can get the Legends package, B & C special, Big cats, etc... for about $40-50 per round. I can play for 1/2 to 3/4 that here at home, but there's a humongous difference in course quality, ambience, etc... As long as prices stay that reasoable, I'm not worried about competition from Pinehurst, RTJ Trail, etc...
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    10-19-2010 10:07 PM
    At the top end of the scale in Myrtle Beach, there's no doubt that you can book a Pinehurst trip for the cost of a Myrtle Beach trip, but once you look at the depth of the courses in Myrtle, there's no way Pinehurst matches the price. And, of course, there's nothing in Myrtle that comes close to the greens fee at Pinehurst #2--nearly $500, the equal of its resort equivalent on the West Coast that occasionally hosts the U. S. Open, Pebble.

    Myrtle Beach has certainly tried to become more expensive over the years. Any business wants to charge a higher price for the same services--just as any customer would like to get the same services for less money. I've noticed over the last 10 years, though, that nearly every offseason (mid-November to March 1; late April to Memorial Day, Labor Day to early October) seems to be busier than years ago. I know that in the late 1990s, I could pretty much walk on the majority of courses in Myrtle Beach when I came down for an offseason trip. I don't think that's an assumption anyone should make now, even with the bad economy.

    I never took advantage of this card; the VSGA in Virginia has a similar card that offers great discounts on courses, including the three courses at the Homestead. I'm glad they offer this card, and I have taken advantage of it. I would have no great heartburn if the courses participating felt it wasn't worth their while at the end of the year.
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    10-20-2010 09:12 AM
    As the rates have risen over the years, as it has with every product, the golfers have moved to the rate periods that work for them price wise. Caledonia for instance, $199 on May 22, $105 of May 23rd  ......
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